For the past 6 months I have been struggling to follow the low oxalate diet using a variety of lists available online as guides, but the lists often don't agree with each other and this has been very frustrating for me. I finally created the list below by compiling information from the lists that are in the files section of the Trying_Low_Oxalates yahoo list, which has the most up-to-date lists. One reason why lists don't agree is that newer testing is using more reliable methods, so I gave preference to newer data when I had to make a choice. I can't guarantee that this information is correct, it's just the best I could come up with. I will update it as I get more information.
The foods with the very highest levels, that need to come out immediately when an oxalate problem is suspected (and should never be consumed by a person with a known oxalate processing problem), are:
almonds, amaranth, black beans, brazil nuts, beets (root and greens), buckwheat, cashew nuts, cannellini beans, chocolate, corn meal, cooked tomatoes, great northern beans, marshmallow root, milk thistle, navy beans, oil of oregano, peanuts, pecans, pine nuts, pink beans, pinto beans, potato chips, potato flour, rice bran, rhubarb, sesame seeds and tahini, slippery elm bark, all soy, spinach, star fruit, sweet potatoes, teff (flour and whole grain), quinoa (whole grain), white bean flour, and yucca powder.
All meat and animal products are low (eggs, milk, butter)
Vegetables-
LOW- alfalfa sprouts, avocado, arugula, asparagus (boiled), banana pepper, fresh basil, bok choy, broccoli (boiled), broccoli raab, cabbage (all kinds), cauliflower, chives, cucumber, daikon radish, garlic, kale (1/2 cup, boiled at least 6 min), kohlrabi, all lettuce, mung bean sprouts, mushrooms, mustard greens (boiled), onions, green peas (boiled), raw tomato, snow peas, sweet bell peppers (red, orange, yellow but NOT green), radishes, shallots, yellow summer squash, all winter squash (acorn, butternut, pumpkin, etc), turnip (steamed or boiled), wakame, water chestnut, watercress, zucchini, rutabaga (1/2 cup, boiled 1 hour)
MEDIUM- artichoke (boiled), asparagus (steamed), Belgian endive, broccoli (steamed), Brussels sprouts, carrots (1/2 cup boiled), celeriac, collard greens (boiled), eggplant (high histamine!), fennel, grape leaves (one), green onion, jicama (peeled), kale (steamed 6 min), nori, olives, (5), red onion, green beans (vary- roma and runner are med cut and boiled, string are high?), snow peas
HIGH- Anaheim peppers, green bell pepper, brocollini (steamed), carrots (raw or steamed), celery, chard, chicory, hearts of palm, parsnip, potatoes (red without skins and boiled are lowest), tomatillo (one is medium), many green beans (pole, French fillet), leeks, nopali cactus, okra, parsley, sugar snap peas, purslane, radicchio, sorrel, sweet potato, green tomatoes, canned tomatoes, yams (in US yams are sweet potatoes)
Fruit-
LOW- apples, apricot (one), billberry (can get as jam), cantaloupe, sweet cherries, cranberries, dates, fresh fig, green grapes, huckleberries, lemon, lychee, mango, melon, oranges, passion fruit, peaches, yellow plum (most plums are low, some are medium), golden raisins, strawberry (less than 10), watermellon
MEDIUM- banana (half is low), Bosc pear, grapefruit (white), lime, papaya (1/4 cup), pears, pineapple (is high histamine), pomegranate, blueberries (1/2 cup), dried cranberries, dried cherries (1/3 cup), Italian prunes, tangerines, mandarins, nectarines, persimmon
HIGH- Anjou pears, dried apricots, blackberries, clementines, elderberries, grapefruit (pink), Hachiya persimmons, pomegranate, raspberries, gooseberries, goji berries, kiwi, citrus zest, currants, concord grapes, dried figs, guava
LOW FRUIT (and other) JUICES- apple, apricot, blackcurrant, cranberry, cherry, white grape, grapefruit, lemon , lime, noni, orange, pineapple, red currant juice, aloe vera juice (great for soothing, healing GI tract)
MEDIUM JUICE- carrot, coconut water, red grape, plum, pomegranate
HIGH- Kern’s apricot nectar
Seeds, Nuts Beans, and Grains
LOW- chestnuts (canned or roasted), coconut (milk is medium), flax seed, pumpkin seed (1/4 cup), 1 T pumpkin or sunflower seed butter, macadamia nuts (5 or fewer), red lentils (boiled 30 min), white rice, wild rice, black-eyed peas, split peas (both green and yellow), cellophane noodles (GF), Ancient Harvest quinoa spaghetti (1/2 cup)
MEDIUM- coconut milk, sunflower seed (1/4 cup), macadamia nuts (up to 25 nuts), pistachio (up to 25 nuts), pumpkin seeds (1/2 cup), walnuts (1/4 cup), popcorn (Orville Redenbocker’s is high), psyllium husks (1/2 cup), red kidney beans (1/2 cup), Tinkyada brown rice pasta, brown rice (1/2 cup), brown jasmine rice (1/2 cup), garbanzo beans (1/2 cup), lima beans, rice spring roll skins, millet (1/2 cup, boiled 30 min)
HIGH- Arrowhead Mills brown basmati rice, adzuki beans, black beluga lentils, fava beans, hazelnuts, hemp milk, green lentils, navy beans, poppy seeds, quinoa, red beans, rice milk, white beans, GF oats
Flours and Baking-
LOW- agave nectar, almond extract (pretty much all flavoring extracts), white chocolate, carob, coconut flour, guar gum, tapioca starch, baking soda, cornstarch, unflavored gelatin, rice starch, xylitol, stevia liquid (powder is high)
MEDIUM- flax seed meal, potato starch (1/2 cup), sweet rice (mochi) flour (1/2 cup), green pea flour, chick pea (garbanzo) flour, pumpkin seed flour (1/2 cup), wild rice flour (1/2 cup)
HIGH- arrowroot, brown rice flour, chestnut flour, Chatfield’s carob powder, carob chips, fava bean flour, millet flour, sorghum flour, stevia powder, white rice flour (especially Bob’s Red Mill stone ground)
Flavors, Spices, Other
LOW- vanilla, coconut oil (be careful- it kills bacteria, fungi, viruses and can cause die-off), olive oil, sesame oil (including toasted, great flavor), mace, maple syrup, mayonnaise, mustard, vinegar (high histamine), capers, chives, cilantro, ginger root, bay leaves, prepared horseradish, saffron, green herbs (dill, basil, oregano, rosemary, sage, thyme, tarragon, etc), white pepper (black pepper is high), nutmeg (up to 3 tsp), sweet paprika, parsley (dried, 1 tsp), Torani chocolate syrup, peanut oil, tabasco sauce (up to 2 T)
MEDIUM- cardamom (1 tsp), cayenne (1 tsp), cinnamon (1/2 tsp), chili powder (1 tsp)
HIGH- allspice, anise, black pepper, celery seed, clove (ground), coriander seed, cumin, curry powder, fennel seed, turmeric
Tea, Beverages-
LOW- chamomile, fennel, hibiscus (?), licorice, mint/peppermint, Kukicha twig tea, nettle, Ojibwa tea, pau d’arco tea, roibos (?), rose hip tea, senna tea, yerba mate (medium), wine (high histamine), coffee
There is a lot of disagreement about black tea and green tea. It appears that if either is brewed very briefly, they may be medium oxalate, but if they are brewed longer they are high. This seems to vary quite a bit by brand of tea as well so I chose not to include either kind of tea here.
Oh goodness there's so many foods! Are you seeing any improvement on this diet?x
ReplyDeleteI have seen tremendous improvement in both myself and my son, this diet is hard, but has been essential for us.
DeleteI find this so interesting because I have ME/CFS AND I am a kidney stone maker so thanks for the new list. My doctor, Kenneth Woliner, in Boca Raton, FL, has instructed me to take one TUMS with each meal because the oxalate binds with the calcium and is excreted through your stool rather than getting metabolized. He also recommends this (the TUMS) for anyone with interstitial cystitis. Great post. Thanks.
ReplyDeletePat,
DeleteWhat your doctor has recommended for you is a very serious medical blunder on a number of different levels. Your doctor clearly is not familiar with the established protocol for successfully treating oxalate sensitivity that has been developed by Clive Solomons, PhD (a biomedical scientist and former director of research at the University of Colorado Health Sciences Center) in conjunction with the VP Foundation (devoted to the resolution of oxalate symptoms). The most critical mistake your doctor has made is that TUMS are toxic, and additional are the incorrect form of calcium for treating hyperoxaluria.
The correct protocol for the treatment of hyperoxaluria is in the "The Low Oxalate Cookbook, Book Two" published by the VP Foundation and which can be purchased on their website.
Hyperoxaluria has a very specific protocol that is simple, doable and not expensive.
The book has the title of 'cookbook" but in reality it lays out the science behind oxalate sensitivity, the protocol and the latest listing of foods. It also contains numerous testimonies from individuals who have triumphed over this very difficult and multi-faceted malady.
There is a test that is available that provides critical information so that you can target the timing of the correct calcium form of supplement so that you can achieve success. The details are in the book.
I hope that you have success in eliminating your symptoms.
There is also a way for you to pay to have foods tested for oxalate content that are not currently listed. The last price that I saw was $50 per food. The information on how to obtain this testing is not in the “cookbook,” but should be able to be obtained from the VP Foundation.
(The author is not connected in anyway to the VP Foundation or to Dr. Solomons.)
My doctor recommended Crystal light in water as it binds to the oxalates and removes them from the kidneys.
DeleteCrystal Light does contain some magnesium, which does help the body process oxalates, but it's not enough to solve the problem by any means or make much of a dent at all. Very few doctors are knowledgeable about oxalates so it's always best to be wary of what they say, especially if it involves drinking a processed food with artificial sweeteners, colors, and preservatives. All of these things stress the body which can actually lead to the formation of oxalate in the body. It would be much better to get a supplement of magnesium to tak regularly.
DeletePat- your doctor is on to something with the calcium, but TUMS is the wrong form- calcium citrate is better for this than calcium carbonate. The calcium citrate should be taken 30 min before eating. I think this is partially to minimize the effect that it has on stomach acid. Low stomach acid is common in adults (much more so than elevated stomach acid and has the same symptoms) and is a major cause of nutritional deficiencies in adults.
ReplyDeleteI think the TUMS will backfire because stomach acid is necessary to release calcium from foods, and and that calcium in turn is important for gut health and binding to oxalate. He is also right that it is much more beneficial to remove oxalate from the body via the stool than via the urinary system, and calcium can help with this. I have several other posts about oxalates with more info about supplements to help reduce oxalate levels. If you have kidney stones and ME/CFS then this diet is likely to help you a lot. If you try it let me know if it helps, okay? Thanks for your comment!
Kitty- yes, I am seeing a lot of progress on this diet for myself and for Roo. Detoxing oxalate (called "dumping" causes symptoms to flare up, so the process has it's ups and downs, but overall I am happy enough with the progress that I don't mind avoiding the foods so much. Also, I've noticed that after 6 months of eating low oxalate I tolerate higher levels of oxalate in foods much better than before, and have been able to begin eating cooked tomato sauce again for the first time in years, so I think some real healing is happening!
ReplyDeleteMy name is Nitin from Toronto. I am interested in your writing. Some of your posting are good, I can say, best. Can you please tell me how to subscribe to your blog post online?
ReplyDeleteThere is a button on the upper right of the screen that says "follow" that should allow you to follow online. Also, there is a box above that that says "subscribe to..". Please let me know if this doesn't work for you- people have told me periodically that they can't subscribe, but others can, so I don't know how to fix the problem.
ReplyDeleteThanks for sharing this.
ReplyDeleteBut what about almonds? (raw, almond flour, almond milk, almond butter)...I don't see them mentioned.
Almonds are listed in the "never eat ever" category in any form. When eating low oxalate people generally try to keep daily oxalate intake under 40-60 mg per day. Almond flour has 280 mg per half cup and raw almonds have 335 per half cup.
ReplyDeleteThank you.
ReplyDeleteSince there are various data on nuts and how much oxalates they contain, I wasn't sure...
You're very right about the conflicting information about oxalate levels, it's a big problem. What I've heard is that many of the things that were tested in the past were less accurate and they have been re-testing some thing, so I used the most recent data I could get when compiling the list above. I know there are still going to be errors on it. Also, as you probably now, different varieties of one thing can vary widely (such as green kiwi are very high, apparently yellow ones are not?), and it can even vary according to how fresh something was when it was tested. Very confusing!
ReplyDeleteGreat job cross comparing oxalate foods. I did the same thing and used newer data from the VP Foundation. Are you sure about ginger being OK? My research says use caution.
ReplyDeleteThis info should reflect the latest data from the VP Foundation, but maybe I missed something? I probably listed ginger as okay due to the level at the quantity I would normally use so maybe caution is best. However, I've recently started using a lot of ginger (I'm back on the GAPS intro diet, and using ginger to make "tea") and seem to be doing well with it.
ReplyDeleteIt seems to me that different oxalate sensitive people react worse to different foods, not just based on the numbers we have. For example I can't tolerate carrots AT ALL in any form or amount. I'm wondering if we'll find out there are sub-types of oxalate that different people react to differently?
hi just reading ur post ty for sharing i haven hard time finding right source foods seems i too am fighting boughts of histamine and noticing all i eat right now is chicken and white rice and limes to help me cleanse body of them has anyone used the limes for it??? i read they akaline the body and help release of toxins ,,,, question is there commenctiom with the oxalates and ammonias im the body? are they condsidered same? Just learning more om what all this is amd what i can do i have poor digestive tract and intestinal bleeding ulcers jus has really gotton to me cuz i cant comtrol it right now reading what you said about the calcum just started readimg dowm the responses ty GB
DeleteI just found your blog and find this post very helpful. I am just starting on the low-oxalate diet and it has been SO confusing! I started having SERIOUS problems when I went on the Spec.Carb. Diet a couple of years ago and had NO idea that almond flour was very high in oxalate's ~as well as a lot of other foods I was living on! I had never even heard of oxalates until I was having so many problems! I am taking calcium citrate and am noticing an improvement in less than a week. Just wondering if you eat grain and if so what kind?
ReplyDeleteGreat site. Thank you. We are a GAPS family. My son made enormous improvements the first week and then regressed severely. Found an amazing GAPS practitioner and discovered we have oxalate issues. Basically we're eating pasture raised meat, veggies, and very little fruit as he has phenol issues too. Something has got to give. We've just started LOD plus he's on an anti-fungal and has a nasal spray coming soon to help with anxiety.
ReplyDeleteRead that you're back on GAPS. What are you eating?
Sorry to hear about your struggles Kimberly, hope that addressing oxalates helps you. We eat grain-free at home but now that we've been through GAPS we do eat some white rice when eating out (and sometimes GF pizza at a nearby restaurant).
ReplyDeleteLisa- glad you like the site. It is hard to be so restricted, isn't it? That has been very hard for Roo and I (my husband and Roo's brother don't seem to have oxalate issues). What really helped us is that we "got back" a lot of foods on GAPS, such as the histamine foods and dairy. Right now I'm basically eating meat broth with low oxalate veggies in it and have just added avocado and eggs. It feels VERY limited. Can you have eggs and dairy?
Thanks for posting this. It differs in many respect from other lists. Would you share your source?
ReplyDeleteIn compiling this list, I used the latest data I could find from the Autism Oxalate Project and the Vulvar Pain Foundation. Current testing methods are more sensitive and accurate, so many foods are testing differently now than they did in the past. Most of the lists online use outdated information which is why they differ. It turns out that some foods that were thought to be lower are actually much higher, and others are actually lower than previously believed. If you would like to get access to these numbers and find out more about current testing (and to suggest a food to be tested) you can join the Trying_Low_Oxalates yahoo group here:
ReplyDeletehttp://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/Trying_Low_Oxalates/?yguid=284612298
In some online research, I believe I read that soaking nuts and then dehydrating them reduces the oxalate in them. Have you ever seen anything to confirm this?
ReplyDeleteI've read this before too, and while I'd love for it to be true, this claim doesn't seem to be based on evidence. I did contact someone who has done research on this in grad school and she said they found that it reduced oxalate by about 3%. The Autism Oxalate Project is planning to have some items tested that have been prepared this way, and I do believe they've tested several things already?
ReplyDeleteOne thing testing does reveal is that it seems that preparation methods such as soaking, boiling, etc do not have uniform effects on oxalate levels. Some vegetables have their levels reduced by boiling, while the levels increase for others. Sprouting seems to reduce the levels in some things but increase it in others. When I have time I'll go through the data that I can and see if I can come up with any specific numbers.
Are you certain that marshmallow root is high in oxalates? Can't find an Internet reference to it. Was hoping to take it for bladder(IC) inflammation but oxalates are an issue.
ReplyDeleteThanks,
Elyn
How about hemp protein? My co-op is selling hemp protein powder for use in smoothies. The nutritional profile is excellent but cannot find info on oxalate content for hemp protein, meaning Without the seed coats. I know that the leaves and stems of the plant are high in oxalates, but that does not necessarily mean that the seed protein is. Any info much appreciated. Thank you.
ReplyDeleteI don't believe that hemp products have been tested yet. I think it has a good chance of being high, as hemp is a nut/seed. The primary concern that I would have is that the process of powdering proteins and fats alters them and once altered they don't work in the body the same way. I personally stay away from them (this includes non-fat milk powder in many products) and prefer to focus on eating real food. Powdering is processing.
ReplyDeleteHi,
ReplyDeleteCould you please advise me about pasta? Is white pasta low and wholemeal high? Thanks for your list this has been very handy, because there is such contradicting info out there.
oh and also, what about bread?
ReplyDeleteIt actually depends on the specific brand in those cases. I haven't added those foods to my list, or familiarized myself with them, because my family eats gluten-free and mostly grain-free. My suggestion is to join the Trying_Low_Oxalates yahoo list and in the files section you will find the most current info on all of the foods tested so far. http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/Trying_Low_Oxalates/?yguid=284612298
ReplyDeleteThanks, Sierra!
ReplyDeleteYou have a fabulous site. I came across it yesterday and already it has been very helpful! Thanks for doing so much "foot work" and posting it for others.
Thanks!
ReplyDeleteHi,
ReplyDeleteWhen you did the GAPS diet for the first time, do you know why it didn't fix/heal your oxalate problem? Is it because the first time around, you were still eating some oxalate foods?
Thanks
With the little that I knew about oxalates at the time that I began GAPS, I thought it was a gut dysbiosis issue and so one that GAPS would take care of. I was eating pretty low oxalate (not intentionally) until about 9 months in when I began eating a lot of nuts. I slowly began to gain weight again and feel worse. I know know that an oxalate issue is far more complex than a just gut dysbiosis (it seems to have more to do with endogenous production in the body, in particular the liver, due in part to some vitamin deficiencies and other issues such as Pyrroluria). I know do not believe that GAPS will "cure" many people of oxalate sensitivity, although it may do this for some.
ReplyDeleteJust in case you haven't come across the info, apparently B6 (and the precursor P5P) can be of great help when your body is producing oxalates. I think Susan Owens says the pyrroluria dosing is 2 mg / lb of body weight for B6 and then the P5P is 1/5 of that dose.
ReplyDeleteMagnesium citrate is also helpful for binding with oxalates for anyone who does not do well on calcium. Since about 70% of our population is magnesium deficient it wouldn't hurt to go that direction!
Thank you, great info Katie! I talk about the role of B6 somewhat in this post:
ReplyDeletehttp://roosclues.blogspot.com/2009/10/oxalates-and-low-oxalate-diet.html
but need to go into more detail. It seems that low B6 levels are one of (if not the one) reason that some people convert vitamin C to oxalate and others don't. I think this is why there seems to be a connection between Pyrroluria and oxalates.
what about mulberry juice? is it high on oxalates? pls reply. ty.
ReplyDeleteIt looks like mulberries and mulberry juice haven't been tested.
ReplyDeleteGlad to hear the low oxalate diet is helping you and Roo! This is great encouragement to others. I started the diet for Vulvar Pain syndrome, but it was also instrumental in healing my intestinal, skin, rectal, burning mouth, burning eye, fibromyalgia and chronic fatigue symptoms (a controlled carb diet helped the CF, too).
ReplyDeleteInterestingly, I abandoned the diet for awhile when my twins were born (too hard as a single mom to eat well and care for twin infants) and that same year I developed severe allergies (tested positive for every substance they tested, including the control!). I didn't really associate it with too many oxalates until I read your post and thought about histamines and how they interact with everything else in our bodies. Anyway, I'm back on the low oxalate wagon and had a fabulous spring and now fall with very little allergy problems (okay, I'm also doing the allergy drop treatments for my top 8 offenders).
Just thought I'd share.
Thanks,
Heidi
http://lowoxalatefamily.wordpress.com
I love your blog, thanks for posting! I need to go try some of your recipes. That's interesting about the allergies coming on after re-introducing oxalates. Glad to hear you've had a good spring. Being as sensitive to oxalates as I am I feel very lucky not to have vulvar pain syndrome. I agree that low oxalate seems to be key for me in healing from chronic myalgic pain (ME/CFS), skin problems, eye problems, intestinal issues, etc. I'm interested in the "burning mouth" symptom you mention because I have something that is probably similar!
ReplyDeleteOh my gosh, Thank you! I can't tell you how excited I am to find you. I have been looking everywhere for answers to my sensitivities. My journey started 2 years ago when I had chronic yeast issues. I went on a yeast elimination diet. Then after 6 months and losing 25 lbs got rid of a ton of respiratory issues, etc; I started looking into SCD diet, to restore my gut. Then it went downhill again. I got on the Primal Diet, that worked for a while, then my "allegies", weight gain, which is a side-effect for a sick body. What was making me sick? I was at my best physically. I haven't gotten sick or felt SUPER tired in a long time. But my tiredness has settled back in, hair loss again, and I was at a loss. Now I'm pregnant and SUPER ill. VERY TIRED ALL THE TIME. So, I started to think about what I could not tolerate, smell, sight, etc. Almonds, spinach, greens, lemons, citurs, chocolate; it all made me nauseated, tired and throw up. The list goes on. Then I found an article about oxalates and I knew that was it! Then I read your blog and wow! I am convinced. I don't have the same issues with stones, I do have lots of sensitivities and immune system problems when I eat certain foods. I wonder if I can address this with a GI or an allergist? I would like your thoughts.
ReplyDeleteIt does sound like oxalates are a likely piece for you. I think it is very unlikely that you will find any doctor who is knowledgeable about it and can help you. I would suggest learning all you can yourself, and joining the low oxalate diet yahoo group http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/Trying_Low_Oxalates/?yguid=284612298
ReplyDeleteFeel free to post again if you have questions. Also- being very tired and sick during pregnancy is a common result of being very deficient in vitamin B6, which also predisposes people to be sensitive to oxalates. That might be worth looking into.
Hello
ReplyDeleteI'm interested to read you've been doing GAPS and then found an oxalate problem in both you and Boo. Can I ask, how did you know you had this oxalate problem? I ask because I'm doing an anti-candida version of GAPS and there have been many improvements but I am still exhausted and feel 'unwell'. Someone kindly advised me to look into oxalates and I've been trying to, but I can't for the life of me find a list of symptoms that relate to oxalate sensitivity. I don't have any difficulties with peeing, don't seem to make stones, don't have vulval problems either. But I have found that 150mcg of biotin seems (very early days yet) to have helped my energy level. Did you find a comprehensive list of oxalate sensitivity symptoms? If you did, I'd be most grateful to be pointed in the right direction. THank you!
I should do a post on this. In the meantime, so many things can be oxalate symptoms that it's hard to make a list, but I'll try to make a short version here of what ours have been. Oxalate is toxic to mitochondria so many of our symptoms seem to tie back to that, and mitochondria power nearly all cell functions so immune problems (such as our viral encephalitis), low energy (in me), exercise intolerance (in me), irritability in both of us, cardiac and liver symptoms in me (the parts of the body with the highest amounts of mitochondria are the brain, the heart, the retinas, and the liver, which is why these areas are often most affected in people with mercury poisoning as mercury also injurs the mitochondria). I have serious vision issues (I'm partially blind) and eye discomfort and vision issues are common oxalate problems. Roo also peed a lot at night, and had these small "accidents" (urine leaking?) that were very upsetting to him. Reducing our oxalate level has resulted in global improvements for both of us so it's hard to nail down what the symptoms were specifically. Yeast produce oxalate so if you have a yeast problem you are more likely to have an oxalate problem. I'll flush this out more in a post soon.
ReplyDeleteThank you so much! That's the most graspable explanation I've seen so far. And it makes sense of my own eye itchiness, which gets so bad I want to rip my eyeballs out at times (though it's improved greatly on anti-candida GAPS). Also very low energy and exercise intolerance.
ReplyDeleteI'll look out for a post, if you get time to write one. I have the feeling I won't be the only one to benefit.
Enlightening post to say the least. Thank you for all the work you have done here!!!
ReplyDeletexoLexie
Thanks. As a kidney stone sufferer I had a hard time with
ReplyDeletesome of the conflicting info. about oxalate rich foods, though
I was aware the cooking them can change their content.
Do you know if dates have been tested?
Thanks again.
According to the compiled list on the oxalate yahoo group (which has the most up-to-date info) one date has 1.1 mg of oxalate, so low. It probably does vary by the kind of dates and it doesn't say which kind was tested, so maybe see how you feel eating them? The list that I have here is meant to be a general guideline or sort of a "Cliffnotes" version of the list. If you want to have access to the most accurate info, I highly recommend joining the yahoo list Trying_Low_Oxalates http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/Trying_Low_Oxalates/?yguid=284612298 The up-to-date info is in a large spreadsheet in the files section.
ReplyDeleteWow, thank you so much for your help this is fantastic! I have been on GAPS for a couple of months now but would always regress when I moved on to stages that involved foods such as nuts, nut butters or green juices and was really confused why. I now think that I may have an oxalate problem but I don’t know how I can know this for sure. Is it just a matter of giving LOD a go and seeing how I feel? I have now returned back on the GAPS intro diet and I am combinding LOD and have been basically eating bone broth, soft joint meats off the bone, cauliflower, green peas and salt. As the diets combined are very limit I am scared as to progress and don’t know what to do next. I see that you have meat broth but is the jelly-like bone broth is safe? And I am also taking 1000mg of vit C morning and night as part of my compounding supplements for pyroluria treatment and was wondering if Roo also has vit C as a part of his supps and is this detrimental to progress as I heard that this can be converted into oxalates. It has been a couple of days and I haven’t noticed anything major mainly die off symptoms and was also wondering how long until you experienced symptoms of oxalate dumping and how long do you think I should wait on the LOD to see if I actually have problems with oxalates? This is difficult as the symptoms seem similar to yeast issues and die off and I am not sure if I am feeling terrible from GAPS intro die off or from oxalates. I do relate to a lot of the symptoms of oxalate problems such as tiredness, irritability, stomach pain, constipation and absolutely CRAVE nut butters etc. Sorry for so many questions I am a bit overwhelmed!!
ReplyDeleteThank you for your time :)
Thank you so much for this list...!
ReplyDeleteI have a question about cashews. Are they medium or very high oxalate? I saw cashew nuts in the "very highest" list and cashews in the medium nuts list.
Thanks.
Claire
Can you tell me what the oxalate level(s) are for coconut milk, yogurt and coconut butter? I have a sensitivity to oxalates and have been keeping a low oxalate diet for many years. However, have recently discovered coconut milk as a possible substitute for cow's milk.
ReplyDeleteCan you tell me what the oxalate levels are for coconut milk, yogurt and coconut butter?
ReplyDeleteCongratulations for a very informative site. I have kidney stones, just was I was looking for. Many thanks.
ReplyDeleteCoconut products are all low in oxalate except for coconut water, which is medium.
ReplyDeleteSorry...I did list cashew twice. It should not be in the medium nut category, as it is very high, I will remove it now. Thanks for catching that. i think I meant to put something else in that category but what?? Oh ME/CFS, you do a number on my brain sometimes.
ReplyDeleteSorry I am confused. Near the top of this blog it says that coconut milk is medium. Can you verify? Sure hope it is low but don't want to start using much if it is medium.
ReplyDeleteSorry, what I need to clarify is that coconut *itself* is low, so pure coconut milk is low, but most coconut milk products have additives that bring up the oxalate level. If you want specifics, I recommend joining the low oxalate yahoo group (mentioned in earlier comments) and seeing the updated spreadsheet- it has the most accurate info, and so much info that there is no way I can put most of it here.
ReplyDeleteThank you so much for writing this blog. It has shed light on my situation. I have FM etc and my son ADHD. He had an onset of tics which gradually increased over the months to severe motor/vocal tics, OCD, anxiety. After removing casein/gluten from our diets, the tics decreased to the point of eye blinking and lip movements. But, he continued to have anxiety/OCD and now fatigue/insomnia. I found your blog and realized that we both are overloaded w/ oxalates. You have giving us a good starting point to better health. Thank you so much! You are a God send!
ReplyDeleteI'm so glad it's been helpful for you. please let me know how reducing oxalates helps!
ReplyDeleteThanks so much for all the information!! I am a kidney stone former due to Crohn’s Disease. Trying to balance various diets due to Crohn’s and kidney stone formation can be a challenge because they all contradict each other and the number of 'safe' foods you end up with is practically nothing. However one thing caught my eye with a post from November 12th where they said the CRAVE nut butter. I have noticed most foods I crave are ALL high oxalate. And I'm not talking junk foods in most cases but foods that for 'normal' systems are considered healthy. Have you come across any studies which correlate a craving for the high oxalate foods that should ultimately be removed from the diet? Once again thanks for the info. Have made lots of notes for further research!
ReplyDeleteI'm not aware of studies about craving high oxalate foods, but it is very common for oxalate sensitive people to crave those foods. It's one of the clues that someone has an oxalate problem.
ReplyDeleteI'm not sure which diet for Crohn's you are referring to, but the best diet for that is GAPS (SCD is good but GAPS improved on it's shortcomings) and that diet dovetails well with eating low oxalate. Do you need ideas for things to eat? What are you avoiding for the Crohn's?
I don't have flare-ups very often for Crohn's. I'm generally in remission. However due to a bowel resection when I was diagnosed back in 1975 I have been developing kidney stones and they have been the most severe complications (with a couple of exceptions). So I'm supposed to be on a low oxalate low purine and low fat diet and they can often conflict with each other. I have been on Flagyl for over 10 years and this has done wonders for the Crohn's and my digestion so my focus is on the kidney stones which means low oxalate and purine.
DeleteI do not see corn on your list, I do see where corn meal is high. Could you tell me where corn fits on this list. Thanks Glenna
ReplyDeleteI generally left out grains (corn is a grain) because we don't eat them. Grains are pro-inflammatory, and corn is especially problematic for so many people. Cornstarch sometimes comes up in baking and in packaged foods so that is why it's on the list.
ReplyDeleteHi! Thank you for sharing so much info on your blog!
ReplyDeleteAbout a month ago I began doing a low-histamine diet after learning about Histamine Intolerance and strongly suspecting it was the cause for a lot of my health maladies...and as my core food staples (ie spinach, tomatoes, vinegar, yogurt, cheese, fish) are all considered high histamine, it didn't seem much of a stretch.
I've had a rash on my chin for months that I couldn't get rid of, and just a few days in, it suddenly seemed to be clearing up. But unfortunately, a second rash popped up on the other side of my chin a couple of weeks later.
The more I've looked at info on the web about the low histamine diet, the more contradictory info I seem to find, so bit by bit I cut out food by food until I was down to only a handful of options and I still seemed to be reacting.
Now I'm thinking the Low Oxalate diet is worth a try as I had been substituting a lot of high oxalate foods (ie almonds, sweet potatoes, carrots, parsnips, anjou pears) to make up for the high histamine things I cut out.
I guess I was just wondering what the connection is for you between histamine intolerance and oxalate sensitivity. It looks like you and your son deal with both...? I read in one of your posts that oxalates can cause elevated histamine levels. Have you found if you stick to a low oxalate diet, then histamine isn't as much of an issue (ie you're able to eat foods that would otherwise be bad for people with HIT)?
I also saw references to dumping when a low oxalate diet applies. Do you know if the same thing happens on a low histamine diet?
Thanks for your time!--Kristie M
Thanks for answering my question about corn. We have a set of twins that we adopted at 3 months old; they were crack babies, born 3 months early to an older crack lady, birth number 14/15, and they were diagnosed with possible fetal alcohol effect. Today they are 7 and half, in school and very bright, but they have "excessive" hyperactivity. We took them off of commercial formula and gave the goat milk with cod liver oil and all the nutrients to match mothers milk when they were infants. For years they have been on the SCD diet, we follow the Fiengold plan, they are casein free, gluten, sulfate free, low oxalate and mostly egg free. They have to be medicated for their safety and I'm desperate to help them beat ADHD. So tomorrow myself and the twins are starting the GAPS diet, I'm not really sure how it will work with so much already taken from their diet. My question is; when your son started on the GAPS diet did you follow it exactly, or was he eating other foods along with the chicken broth? I could not find any posts on what he ate when he stated out. It seems the calories are very low and my kids really need to keep their weight up. The corn question was for me; I am on a low oxalate diet and corn was not working for me. Thanks for the help Glenna
ReplyDeleteThis post has been so helpful to me too. I recently, a couple of months ago, had a very large kidney stone (golf ball size)that had to be laser blasted. Had no idea that I even had a stone - dr. said it had been growing for years. My urologist put me on a low oxalate diet, but as I researched it I too found lots of conflicting lists - so many foods that I enjoy are not allowed. Thank you for your research into more accurate oxalates. As I started watching my oxalates I also noticed that my problem with constipation has improved too! Day by day I am adjusting to my LOD and it gets easier to go grocery shopping without getting teary-eyed looking at how many things have oxalates and are not allowed. Didn't realize so many foods are out there with either peanut butter, nuts, or chocolate until I had to remove them from my food choices. Keep up the good work! Nice to know there is support and help out there.
ReplyDeleteHi :) Thank you for your fabulous website ... I'm busy reading as much as I can - being dyslexic it takes a while ...
ReplyDeleteI had a 12mm kidney stone removed end of 2010 with no advice on what foods to avoid ... I was already on a restricted diet trying to heal my gut from 4 years of diarrhoea and after the stone removal I found out about and started on GAPs - juicing carrots, celery and spinach and eating nuts and nut butters most days ... no surprise I GOT WORSE! To cut a long story short I discovered oxalate's and removed them from my diet at the same time starting calcium citrate. I chatted through my thoughts/discovery with my Dr and he referred me to a Bio Chemist Consultant. I am also seeing a Neurogastroenterologist.
My current symptoms are - orange stools (they don't float so not a fat issue) racing heart (mostly in the night, so always very tired) dry eyes and mouth, general pain and mobility issues, hundreds of lumps under the skin around my torso and uncomfortable around my upper back, rightside and front (I've had a CT scan with contrast, barium meal with xray and endoscopy - all normal) food stays in my stomach a long time - digestive enzymes help alleviate this a bit.
The Neurogastroenterologist did lots of tests - the only abnormal one was my Vit D which is very low.
The Bio Chemist Consultant did lots of tests - the only abnormal one was a 24hr urine calcium test - which came back high the first time at 9.2 (normal is 2.5 to 7.5) I was off oxalate's 3 months by this time and on the calcium citrate tablets. The Bio Chemist told me to stop taking the CC and we retested - I'm now 13!
I am only eating food with No or Low Oxalate's ... do I go back on the CC - will taking CC bring my urine calcium down - if so how? My Dr has written me a prescription for vit D do I take that? I feel so rotten and want as always to be proactive will my health - I'm just not sure which way to go!
Some recommended reading would be good too!
Thank you so very much for being there and I look forward to hearing your thoughts!
Kind and Healthy Thoughts
Nicola Ann :) x
Hi Nicola, I'm sorry I'm just seeing your comment now, blogspot stopped notifying me of some comments awhile back. I wish I knew what to tell you. Your situation sounds complex and I hope that you have joined one of Susan Owen's oxalate groups. Unfortunately there isn't much out there about oxalates to suggest that you read, other than links that I've already posted but you will find an amazing amount on the oxalate groups. There is a yahoo group called Trying_Low_Oxalates and Facebook group run by the same person. Please let us know if you find anything that might be helpful to others!
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DeleteYou need to go see a endocrinologist and have you parathyroid hormone levels checked. PTH regulates calcium in the body and low vit D levels and high PTH can be an indication of a malabsorption problem (such as due to gastric bypass) or a parathyroid tumor.
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Hi, my son is 6 almost 7 and he has kidney stones. The doctor told me to watch for foods high in oxalates. My question is.....Does Capri Sun juice pouches have oxalates and if so how much? Ive been trying to figure out what foods/drinks are causing the stones. He drinks the juice everyday at school. Any input would help me, Thanks.
ReplyDeleteYou would need to know the kind of juice (apple, grape, etc) that is in the capri suns that he drinks. To find out the value of each kind of juice, join the yahoo group called Trying_Low_Oxalates, and look in the files section. There is a spreadsheet there with the most up-to-date numbers. Be aware that most of the numbers online are very outdated and are inaccurate. I would rethink allowing Capri Sun at all, there have been documented cases of aluminum toxicity from them when consumed frequently.
ReplyDeleteI am looking for any information about the oxalate level of organic hemp protein powder and organic chorella powder - I use them in a daily protein drink. I just recently had small intestine removal surgery which now requires me to have a low oxalate diet. Anybody have infor? I've searched. Also, I appreciate this compilation of foods and levels of exalates. I too have found a lote of differences between sites lists and got quite confused/frustrated. Happy that you have done this, and I will use it. Perhaps you know how to get these answers to my questions! Thank you!
ReplyDeleteI would highly recommend joining the yahoo group Trying_Low_Oxalates (link above) and looking in the files section for the latest food numbers.
ReplyDeleteHi, I am at a loss here. First i read that high levels of oxalates can create kidney stones then i read that milk thistle can help with kidney stones. Yet milk thistle is high in oxalates! I'm confused...can someone please help...thanks!
ReplyDeleteWhere did you hear that milk thistle can help with kidney stones? I'm curious because I've never heard that. If you can show me the source for that, maybe I can help clear up what the confusion might be caused by.
ReplyDeleteHi, this is where i found it
ReplyDeletehttp://www.livestrong.com/article/127938-diet-kidney-stone-patient/
scroll down to Herbs and Supplements
Thanks for answering :)
That source contains a lot of outdated and inaccurate information. They are citing Kaiser Permanente and NIH as sources for info but neither is reliable. Their list of foods is also not accurate, for example not all leafy greens are high in ox and coffee is not. Also, the concerns about sodium and purines in meat are not in any of the actual scientific literature. That list of supplements seems pretty random to me. I would disregard this source. Most info online about oxalates is outdated and wrong.
ReplyDeleteWow and thank you. I have been taking milk thistle for 3 years now and lately I have been feeling a pain in the right side near waist line. Research tells me it ''could be'' kidneys. I eat tons of spinach and green leafy...have been for years. I am 62...any ''friendly'' advice?
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Well, my friendly advice would be to join the yahoo group Trying_Low_Oxalates (link is in comments above) and check it out, and see if you think a low oxalate diet might be a good idea for you. I would suggest cutting out the spinach either way as it is SO high in oxalate, which will keep you from absorbing minerals which are so important as we age anyway. That happens whether or not you are sensitive to oxalates.
ReplyDeleteHi, I have had a 24 hour urine sample takenn about a month ago and it showed an increased amount excreted by my kidneys. I wounder about the causes and how serious it is. Are there any treatments available or any suplements? Which foods should be eliminated from my diet? Thank you very much.
DeleteFlax as well as chia seeds are used as good sources of omega3 - flax is known to have low levels of oxalate - does anyone know what the oxalate levels for chia seeds are?
ReplyDeleteThank you.
I don't know the exact number for chia seeds, but they are high in oxalate. The omega-3s in flax are not the same as those in fish oil so not exactly substitutable. I also personally stopped using flax oil (I do still cook with ground flax seeds) because I've never come across flax oil that was not rancid, and rancid oil is worse for you then no oil. I hope you've found a good source that works for you.
ReplyDeleteSierra, Thank you so much for you time and energy to post this site and to continue to be so kind in sharing your experiences and knowledge. I hope you and Roo are well and stay well. I'm a former and have been trying to put together a better list and just came across your work! Wow! I'm soooo excited to know all this info is here. Thanks again and best to you and your family!!!
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Fantastic blog, thanks to everyone for sharing the information. I have been diagnosed with fibromyalgia and I also suffer with chronic back pain, neck pain, knee pain, total loss of sensitivity in the penis, erectile dysfunction and to be honest I wish I was dead. I really have had enough, suffered for so many years. To make matters worse I was advised by a back surgeon in 1994 that he could cure my ongoing back pain. He told me my MRI showed a bulging disc L5/S1 and I honestly believed him. I was okay for a few years until finally the pain returned with a vengeance. An eminent surgeon at one of the leading spine clincies in the UK has since looked at my MRI pre the operation and stated it looked nothing more than a dehydrated disc. What I don't understand is how much calcium should I take for my body weight. I weigh over 14 stone. For some reason when ever I take high doses of magnesium my pain does decrease but I don't know if this has anything to do with oxalates? I'm worried that by taking huge amounts of calcium I will cause other problems, kidney stones etc. The B6 makes lots of sense but can someone please advise me a safe amount of calcium and magnesium to take for my issues. Also has anyone heard of a supplement called Ox-Absorb which is specifically designed to absorb oxatates? Has anyone tried it? If so did it help at all? There is a very interesting article about it at http://www.thevpfoundation.org/effective_treatment.htm by By Clive Solomons, Ph.D.
ReplyDeleteIf Clive Solomons talks about it then I'm happy to believe it. Any help greatly appreciated. Thanks
From your symptoms it certainly sounds like you do have major oxalate issues. High doses of magnesium do help reduce oxalate pain. Magnesium you can take to "bowel tolerance" meaning as much as you can take without causing diarrhea. Mag citrate is usually the form tolerated best for oxalate issues but not always. Calcium is a bit more complex. The amount that you can take to help with oxalates (it binds oxalic acid in the gut so you excrete it in the stool instead of absorbing it) varies by how much oxalate you eat and how sensitive to it you are, not by body weight.
DeleteThe guideline that I've heard on the lists is to find your RDA of calcium (recommended daily allowance) and divide it up and take some with each meal. However, there is some disagreement about how much calcium is safe to take as a supplement and even how much this works. Taking calcium before each meal should decrease the risk of stones forming, as it should reduce the amount of oxalic acid that is absorbed to form the stones in the first place. This is something to talk with your doctor about, and maybe do some reading on the oxalate lists and see what you think. I hope you find some relief!!
Hello there,
ReplyDeleteThis is all very fascinating. I was wondering if any particular supplements have ever been tested? I am taking Feverfew to help with various problems, but am wondering just how hight the oxalate content might be.
Many thanks
Sarah in the UK
Many supplements have been tested. I don't remember offhand, but if you are curious I recommend joining the yahoo group to get access to the database of the most up-to-date oxalate values.
DeleteHi everyone! Wanted to take a moment to post. I am grateful for finding this site and wanted to share my journey. My symptoms became obvious in May 2012 (I know the exact date). It was like one day I was fine, the next I was not. I have been through countless rounds of CT scans, bloodwork, pelvic ultrasounds, urinary specimens, IV dye-contrast x-rays, and more. I was sent away being told I was healthy, but MIGHT have Interstitial Cystitis. My symptoms are not characteristic of IC, so I kept pushing for proof. I finally found an Integrative Doctor who did stool sample testing as well as saliva testing. My thyroid showed low, I am showing sensitive to gluten, my vitamin D was off the charts low, and I am afraid I have a yeast overgrowth as I had no good bacteria in my gut, not a trace. I have been following my docs paleo diet, with restrictions to no fruit, yeast, sugar, dairy, gluten/grains and more. Very limited food choices. I am feeling SOME symptoms go away, less ear ringing, no nightsweats, etc. BUT, I still get the heart palpitations and urinary tract "spasms" - at least what I call them. I can only say that when these spells happen, I feel totally toxic. It is almost like an allergic reaction. I feel inflamed alot, almost acidic. I have been 100% faithful to the diet and supplements needed to combat this monster. I am on day 39 and recently started to feel worse. I am beginning to wonder if high-oxalate foods are part of my problem. I was curious to know if anyone had similar issues and/or could offer advice. Thank you! :)
ReplyDeleteHi. I've just discovered your blog - having suffered from ME/CFS and Fibromyalgia for 5 years. Have just begun trialling a low-oxalate diet, and have indeed been confused by the many contradictions amongst the various diet lists.
ReplyDeletePlease could you tell me what the criteria are for "low," "medium," and "high" foods? I.e. How many ml per serving constitute each level? (Another thing the various lists disagree about.)
Thanks for all you've been doing in spreading the word about oxalates.
wow, wow, wow! this is such an informative blog - thank you so much for taking the time to compile and monitor it:) I've joined the low oxalate group, very useful listing of foods. Good luck with your progress:)
ReplyDeleteeverything i've read about oxalates puts cranberries and cranberry juice on the 'no-no' list ... has it really changed? just checking ...
ReplyDeleteNot so much that it's changed, but almost all the info out there on the web is very outdated and inaccurate. The latest test values from this year have cranberry juice as low. I highly suggest only getting oxalate values for foods from the compiled list on the oxalate yahoo group.
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ReplyDeleteHave you considered testing you and your son for Lyme? I've been down such a similar not so fun road. If you do get tested, you need a Lyme Literate doctor and he should run the test only from Fry's Lab. Anyway, in my journey to health I developed IC - eliminating nightshades seemed to take care of it. The last two days I have added quite a bit of organic shredded coconut and the IC is back. I don't think it is oxalates or SAL's because I do OK on blueberries, nuts, beans and seeds. Thoughts? Thanks in advance. Linda
Hi, Thanks for the useful info, just wanted to say that snow peas are on the food lists twice in low and medium oxalates, I assume the difference is cooking method, can you provide more info?
ReplyDeleteAlso I was wondering if alot of you folks with oxalate issues have phenol and or salicylate issues too? If so do you find that resolving oxaltes helps these? I particularly have issues with breathing difficulties with many, many foods.
Cheers
potasiun citrate will keep u from growing larger or new stones, go to a nephrologist for a blood and urine work up
DeleteHi! Not sure if you are still active with this blog but the info you've found and posted on oxalates and histamine have been very enlightening for me and for things going on with my daughter. I have tons of questions but for now, for this post, I was wondering if yucca the root is ok. You've posted that the powder is high but what about it whole/ unprocessed, boiled, baked or streamed? Thanks!
ReplyDeleteAlso is there anyway I could email you or call you with a few more questions or if there's a practitioner you recommend for helping discuss symptoms to determine what we've got going on or if we need testing?
Could you suggest a base for smoothies or protein drinks
ReplyDeleteif one can not have dairy? I have been using almond milk,
which I see is medium high. I think I saw that coconut milk
was also medium high. Soy is high too.
Thanks so much,
Carter
Coconut milk is low and would work well, as long as you want a milk base, which you don't need to have. If oxalate is an issue do not touch almond or soy, ever. Personally I don't use protein powder as the powdering process damages proteins and can make them highly allergenic. I hope you find a way that works for you~
DeleteWould a broth made from high oxalate vegetables still contain the oxalates? I make a magic mineral broth that has leeks yam carrots celery etc and am worried it is contributing to my pain.
ReplyDeleteYes, it will...at least some of the oxalate. When boiling foods with oxalates in them, some of the soluble oxalate will be transferred to the cooking water (broth).
DeleteThank you so much for sharing your research and experience. Couple of questions:
ReplyDeleteI noticed on your list cabbage is "high" even though it shows as low on many of the other (possibly outdated) lists out there. What about when it has been made into sauerkraut? Also, celery is on the high list, what about when it's cooked? and Garlic you have on "low" does it make a difference if it's raw or cooked. Lastly, When trying foods out to see what is causing symptoms, how soon after eating something do the symptoms appear? Is it hours or minutes or...?
many thanks~
Sorry, cabbage should be low. Celery is pretty high, but keep in mind that with oxalates dose matters and a little celery isn't a major source. I have no idea about cooked, you'd need to join the yahoo group and look at the master lists. That info is on there. As for as symptoms go, I think this varies from person to person. It also varies for me depending on the food and the symptom. I have some symptoms that are instant- the moment that the food touches my lips I react- and other foods that I only notice anything after at least 24 hours. Sorry, I wish I had more specific info for you! The oxalate thing is just so hard to pin down.
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